Does Fruit Have Too Much Sugar To Eat More Than 15% By Weight Of Your Diet?

Intro

Brian and Anna Maria um one of the lot of people talked about the benefits of a raw food diet what you particularly do that’s different than almost every other whole food plant-based person virtually everyone is you in addition to saying what they say you then say at the end and fruit because it’s picked unripe and because it’s been hybridized is something we should only have 15% of an art by weight in our diet and then when you are asked about it to elaborate Brian you seem to take a almost almost a negative view of fruit completely where it seems like some people would say well you know moderate amounts of berries or moderate amounts but you I’m not sure I’m interpreting right but it almost seems like you’re saying that the because the fruits been hybridized we should not even have it and I know that you know I mean I hear all the other joel fuhrman brenda davis all the other whole food plant-based people they say there’s lots and lots of studies about the benefits of fruits and is it possible you’re taking too strong a position on it I mean why isn’t anyone else feeling that fruit in sugar intact in a berry is okay and you’re feeling so strong so could you clarify it how strong do you feel about the fruit and we’re you know what what what’s the reason the other people are not coming to this conclusion we sit in a very

Epocrates

unique position than probably everyone else you’ve talked about yeah the sickest people in the world come to us so after they’ve gone to the alternative doctor they’ve been to the hospitals many of these people are told they’re given up then they show up with Epocrates and we have the great gift of working with these people and observing what is working for them and what’s not working for them now by mere chance certainly not intelligence or science because there was no science that I knew of in those days nearly 40 years ago tumors that we could observe visibly on people when they would consume lots of fruit which we provided by the way they were the good old days when you came to Epocrates and we were giving you organic fruit until he you got sick of organic fruit would start to grow and this was completely contrary to what the standard belief then and seemingly for a lot of people who don’t read modern science believe today that fruit is wonderful and as antioxidant effect to my colleagues and good friends at Tufts University we’re part of the research that showed you how great fruit was and it is those antioxidants that are amazing in it you get a berry I’ve often purchased blueberries because I eat a little bit of fruit so we’ll get to that in a minute and put it in my refrigerator gone away for a month come back and they’re there they have such great antioxidants a so all of that is in fact true but then we started to look at the cancer so we wiped it out initially at Hippocrates for cancer within a matter of a year to two years we said well wait a minute how about viruses and anna-marie was an expert on microscopes for about a quarter of a century so we started to put fruit sugar that we actually created out of the fruit it wasn’t we bought it or it was fructose or we put it on the petri dish we put a virus of bacteria there whatever it may be a moldy yeast of fungus and these things over they look like fire they took off so we instantly understood that that was implemented needed to be implemented so we pretty much took this very strong stance not because we think fruit is bad but we think in the case of disease fruit is bad when the Institute resided we initiated in 1956 in Boston I moved to annamaria moved the Institute in 1987 down to Florida but in Boston we lost a brain trust when we moved because many of the professors and doctors and scientists would sneak over to hypocrite ease and say tell no don’t tell anyone we’re here but they wanted to help us because some of these doctors in fact sent patients out and said you’re going to die and the patient would show up in the year or five years later and say look at them well because I beansprouts you know and the doctor said what are you talking about and so they were helping us do science so that’s where we came up with the number 15 percent and this is well before we have solid data now that we can quote on this but the fact is that when you get above 15% even in in Anna’s Brenda’s or my body you start to have exceptionally high amounts of sugar that then can become opportunistic not be the the sugar that feeds a cell for energy but exceptional sugar that’s in the bloodstream and sugar that’s in the bloodstream there’s a term for that called blood sugar and of course we have a disease called blood sugar but I will also show you that it can feed viruses and mold and yeast and fungus and bacteria and what we started to talk about this I’d go out to alternative medical conferences they almost booed me off the stage because there was no empirical evidence there was no evidence of this at all I happen to be this is how nature works sometimes I’m on a plane flying to Los Angeles to lecture and in here in America if you’re not in America how we evaluate one another instantly as we ask each other what we do Annamarie couldn’t figure this out she said why do they ask me what we do so I said keep telling them you’re garbage collector they’ll leave the guy

The Original Diet

sitting next to me said what do you do and I mumbled because I was reading I mumbled I direct an alternative health center in Boston he said is that Hippocrates oh my god my aunt went to hypocrite ease and mop up up and to be polite I said what do you do he said I’m an agricultural scientist in fruit cultivation at the University to California that was the end of that trip for him all at once I realized that in biological human science there was nothing written as a matter of fact fruit which I think was the original diet of man there’s no question in my mind as I showed you the teeth yesterday in my presentation it was the original diet America it’s a perfect food perfect food he led me to a whole body of evidence of science and agriculture science I knew nothing about and seemingly nobody seems to read this except the eggheads and agricultural science and he told me no the average

The Average Fruit

fruit today is 30 times sweeter than the original fruit and to make a point for the listeners out there he said you like crab apples I said oh no crab apples are too sour he said oh that’s a hybrid he said the original Apple was more salary said you’re kidding me and then he asked what’s your favorite Apple I said Red Delicious why I’m like you I like the sweetest he said what’s your favorite what’s your he said that’s 50 times five zero times and he said what’s your favorite orange I said well that’s a honey Bell hey so that was recently created that you they actually took a tangerine and spliced it with a grapefruit and who doesn’t like a honey Bell it’s very sweet so the point I’m making is that over 80% of the fruit we consume today at the beginning of the 21st century didn’t exist a hundred years ago it’s completely fabricated by man that the average fruit has 30 times more sugar and then the other bummer is that we destroyed the pancreas in our body because hardly anyone ate processed sugar 100 years ago unless you were part of the aristocracy and and this group certainly doesn’t look like it unless the King and queens listening to us somewhere in the world you certainly don’t look like the aristocracy they ate

Sugar aristocracy

sugar and you know how much they about a kilo a year a kilo a year so they bring it out like on Christmas or Hanukkah or Easter and they take morsels and they lock it up they had a piece of furniture they locked it up in and their dining room I mean my god what’s ironic is governments came in sardis to subsidize the sugar core tell and it is a core tell you want to read an interesting expose on how evil these people are the New York Times just recently published a large elaborate great story investigative story on this everything’s involved like the drug cartel in this and what we ended up finding out after all of this and then now employing is for nearly 40 years is that we by mistake became right so now Stanford agrees with us and University of California and my favorite guy in the world on cancer which on I always focus on because if cancer can be corrected and if cancer can be prevented

Cancer

all the other things are easy I can tell you right now yeah most holistic doctors like to work with diabetes type 2 if you don’t get well from diabetic type 2 conditions you’re not doing anything right heart attacks everyone gets well from heart no such disease as a heart attack or diabetic type – that’s lifestyle choices but when it comes to cancer everyone’s afraid and they want to keep their hands of it I’ve watched hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people with catastrophic cancer reverse it and since we stopped the sugar forty years ago much higher incidence of people bringing about their own recovery so to me it’s not a theory it’s not a philosophy it’s not that yes we have everyone dancing and the research shows that such a thing it is proof it’s a human proof and I’m gonna tell you I loved meat the day I gave meat up but I gave it up in a day I loved dairy that took me three years it took me 35 years to give up sugar I just renamed my sugar white sugar was a bad so I said I don’t eat sugar because it was white sugar then it went to honey then it went to maple see thank God I got off the train before gobby’s here the worst sugar of all the worst sugar of all is agave that it’s ninety percent fruit sugar and look at Thomas I free my favorite of all Thomas I free who wrote the definitive book in history on cancer he basically when he came to the Institute for our major scientific conference sat with me for three hours on napkins and showed me what he learned about fruit sugar fruit sugar feeds cancer and other diseases more than any other form of sugar period why because

Fruit Sugar

it’s the only sugar that metabolizes like fat in the body all sugars make us fat but they don’t metabolize like fat how much fruit should you eat – I think fruits bad no I don’t think fruits bad I mean my god I used to eat you know fast food pizza pie and soda so compare that to a blueberry hey I’ll take a blueberry hands down and eat but the truth of the matter is limit the amount of fruit you have when you’re in the conquest of fighting a disease eliminate fruit for a period of time until you get better but fruit is unfortunately been tampered with it is not the fruit of your great-great-grandparents it’s just not there

Fruit Cancer

to your experience and it would be wonderful if you could and oh did that we didn’t okay so I just wanted to respond in a few ways first is that I very much respect the experience that you’ve had I and I I would be very grateful if some of these experiences could be written up and peer reviewed and get into the literature because I’ll tell you today after you said what you said about fruit I went upstairs and went on PubMed and put fruit and cancer into PubMed the the first 10 studies that came up all showed very significant risk reduction with with fruit consumption there was only one that didn’t and you know why it didn’t they were they were looking at the amount of canned fruit people were eating and of course canned fruit there may be some issues like a lot of even added sugar so so but the all of the other every study I looked at one after the other some were looking at fruits and vegetables but they were separating them so they actually had a percent risk reduction for vegetables which was usually higher than it was for fruit fruit was a little bit less but very consistently showed both a fruit and vegetable intake and maybe it’s because people who eat fruit are having fruit instead of ice cream instead of meat instead of other things like oatmeal you know when people give up bacon and they lose two points in cholesterol that’s because they’re not eating whatever eggs that day yeah so so that may be part of it but of course the many of the theories are because of the phytochemicals and antioxidants and fiber and and and of course a lot of people are growing their own food as well and so I go in the in the woods and collect elderberries for example and make a little mix Oregon grapes grow in our yard so Oregon grape and elder mixture to put on you know in our little breakfast bowls and and so we do that kind of thing and I think the wild elderberries would be a really good choice but you know Michael Greger grew elderberries in his yard this year and he was so proud of himself did everybody hear this story he took a couple of cups and put them in his smoothie and and and a few minutes later he was drooling over his his computer and realized he had poisoned himself and and and and he was picturing his tombstone how not to die I was just splitting my gut I got laughing but anyway I I said you know Michael I did the exact same thing except I was smart enough to cook him before because all the berries black elderberry poisonous anyway that’s the that’s the funny for tonight well yeah so earth I you know I think we still have a lot to learn obviously and and I I include a fair bit of fruit and I know you know Cirrus and Robbie that are doing the mastering diabetes with a raw food diet though they’re very fruit heavy and having tremendous success with people with diabetes so we’re still I mean we’re we’re in our infant stage your understanding food and nutrition and so all of these experiences are very valuable and we can learn from one another and so the Institute is a living laboratory this is not laboratory with mice or anything this is living laboratory for 62 years being seeing what happens to people and the last 32 years that’s when we got stricter with fruit because you learned you have to live in the time you’re in so whatever worked 60 years ago it doesn’t work today we’ve had to change a lot of things on our program you have to live in the time you’re in when you’re working with people’s health this is the most precious thing that we can work with and you know so we see and people see and they say you know I thought I had to have fruit because it’s so much written about it and and so much good stuff and then I realized I don’t need it and I’m doing better and actually I feel more balanced because we’re all saturated with sugar already you know we’re living in a generation we’ve had so much more sugar like Brian said than any generations it is in so many things because they took fat out of the all the processed food so we don’t didn’t get fat because in the 70s people were screaming about it and then they they put sugar in instead and so with all our sugar addicts there Brian a nice joke about and said you either recovering or you are a sugar addict yeah so I’m a sugar addict I’m just to recovery that’s it and so food will come back and of course every I guess that comes through our program that now is fighting cancer and will tell them probably in two years you’ll have it back but no more than 15% and you will enjoy it so much more when you when you get it back and you will only eat organic fruit because any other fruit is so heavy sprayed that you shouldn’t even come near it let me just

Science

before we finish this this is an important subject maybe one of the most important questions because rather than debate this we’re giving you a little bit of a window into science so I’ve written a book called sweet disease that I referenced study after study I didn’t get on Plum PubMed they sort of the convenient ones come up or whatever moves to the top of the computer comes up but everything I ever write is backed with solid science and unlike others not just solid science but my experience so I up either playa theory and then see science that will back it or I find science and change my attitude and then employ it so in sweet disease each chapter is a different disease and I give you the science of how sugar feeds that particular disease and the other thing is doctor steer so where we got confused who I used to debate on NBC CBS ABC in Boston he was paid off by the sugar industry and dairy industry he was a Harvard nutritionist and they would sit us there and they know I was young and I scream and yell and it was always great TV and I wish I was much smarter in those days but the reality is dr. steer gave us a lot of the misinformation that’s called mainstream science today on sugars the different kinds of sugars how sugars react in the body as he did with you know fats mana monounsaturated you know except he was sort of the guy that set up a lot of this misinformation that we’ve maintained in science today and it was a broken theory to begin with and I think we have to relook at this entire thing if you look at SCI free who used to be yelling you know cycling Tom aside free who wrote the book you know these at the top of the game and by the way he’s the one that basically said Brian it’s great you don’t give fruit here why does it feed cancer I said well because it does this he said no you’re wrong and he sat me down for three and a half hours at the Institute in Wigmore Hall and showed me on papers what he learned in decade after decade of doing it and he was the one that actually explained to me that it’s a Warburg theory of why fruit creates cancer war bear goes back to research from 1922 1924 published it and got what got the Nobel Prize in the 1930s for it and he said all you have to do is reduce oxygen by 1/3 every healthy person here if we reduce talks but one-third you start to actually create cancer cells in the body with no exception now if you’re weak lots of cancer cells here and if you’ve metabolized fruit sugar as fat guess what you’re doing you’re reducing oxygen if you already have cancer and you reduce oxygen you think that may help to metastasize the cancer or spread the virus and so I do think so so and again what Anna said I think is most pertinent to this conversation you don’t know how many people were on fruit diets and have come to us thousands as I was my diet was 60% fruit at one point and I felt great because it wasn’t hamburgers and it wasn’t steak and it wasn’t pizza pie and it wasn’t all of the garbage I ate but I’m gonna tell you if I compare how strong muscular mentally physically I am today compared on greens which grill is eat by the way gorillas do not eat fruit versus monkeys running around like this eating it’s night and day man it’s night and day it’s night and day and why gorillas happen to be the strongest creature on earth they don’t eat fruit they happen to eat greens and by the way they eat sprouts in nature they’ll actually pick the root up clean the root and eat the sprout instinctually they know that that’s the strongest part so just because this is a topic that keeps getting brought up over and over and again it would be good to really clarify it um what about Brenda with Brenda saying that this study after study saying fruits are good and you know you have the extreme where Doug Graham is saying I’ve healed tons of people on an offeror diet on the 80/10/10 diet and then if people who are saying you know just you don’t have to be that extreme but just moderate amount it’s fits into the diet so again is is it are you taking too strong a position on fruit or you know really feeling like this is really bad there always has to be somebody that is that the the head of the the arrow and that’s where I think we are at this point when I was a macrobiotic and such a good macrobiotic I wrote one of Michio Kushi books with him I finally realized it wasn’t what people were eating in the macrobiotic diet that was making them well it’s what they removed from their diet that made them well and I think it’s the same exact thing with heavy fruit consumption if I compare my old American diet Western diet to when I was eating fruit I felt remarkable on food because again this is where it gets a little confusing free fruit was the original diet a man there’s absolutely no question in my mind or serious anthropologist Minds today and if you didn’t see it here in the room yesterday review on the real truth about health the conference I gave rice showed actually the teeth of your ancestors in your teeth and the intestinal and you look closely it shows all of the reasons we were frugivorous so by removing bad things by eating more raw food it has enzymes phytochemicals loaded not nearly sprouts sprouts have a lot more without the sugar but the reality is as phytochemicals do you think Pepsi Cola has phytochemicals you think hamburgers have phytochemicals No so you’re going to get the benefits of it but again if I took heroin I could actually show you nutritional benefit of eating heroin yeah there’s always good and bad in everything and I don’t want to sound like this is going to discourage any of you from thinking gee I’ve been eating fruit it’s a great thing god bless you you’ve made a great step in the right direction congratulations you’re not eating doughnuts anymore you’re not eating you know God knows candy bars anymore so that’s good but if you were fighting a disease my message is loud and clear not extreme but experiential and scientifically validated today stop eating fruit temporarily now what people forget in the process of recovery is some day you’re trying to get better and once you get better then you can do things in moderate forms by the way if I were she lives in one of the most beautiful places in North America I can tell you it’s actually in Canada and it’s warm isn’t that an oxymoron yeah it’s beautiful and warm if I had elderberries in my backyard if I had blueberries growing which they do starting in May and up there I’d be out there eating them too and by the way I eat some fruit now I’m not suggesting I don’t eat fruit you know this is not a religion this isn’t fanaticism I look at these things in practical ways so please embrace moving forward staying open and learning what needs to be learned today if you want know more about it I’m not trying to sell books I’m trying to give you real science that’s not cherry pick science or what’s the hottest thing on the Internet read my book sweet disease it will explain this 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